tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post2931817567087561223..comments2023-04-17T21:27:49.092+08:00Comments on Jesus <i>is</i> Jehovah!: What is a Jehovah's Witness? #1: Jesus is not God and was not bodily resurrectedStephen E. Joneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-15527973778840487542012-04-22T07:28:13.725+08:002012-04-22T07:28:13.725+08:00miken
>Linked to the 1914 claim to be the end ...miken<br /><br />>Linked to the 1914 claim to be the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of Christ's rulership invisibly is the 1919 claim. <br /><br />Thanks for your comment and agreed. If no 1914, then no choosing of the WT as Jesus' "faithful and discreet slave" in 1919:<br /><br />"That about that same time (in 1918) Christ's true followers then living went into spiritual captivity to Babylon the Great, being released the following year, 1919, at which time Christ Jesus acknowledged them collectively as his `faithful and discreet slave,' his approved agency for directing his work and caring for his interests on earth, his sole channel for communicating guidance and illumination to his servants earthwide. That from that time forward the final `harvest' work has been in progress, with salvation or destruction as ultimate destinies. To weaken belief in the significance of the foundation date of 1914 would weaken the whole doctrinal superstructure (described above) that rests on it. It would also weaken the claim of special authority for those acting as the official spokesman group for the `faithful and discreet slave' class. To <i>remove</i> that date as having such significance could mean the virtual collapse of all the doctrinal and authority structure founded on it. That is how crucial it is." (Franz, R., "Crisis of Conscience," 2002, p.175. Emphasis original).<br /><br />>Perhaps this is the most important false claim for all the authority of scriptural interpretation and direction of JW's by their Governing Body rests on their claim in 1919 to have been appointed by God and Christ as their ONLY representatives on earth. <br /><br />Agreed. See above. Thanks for reminding me of it.<br /><br />>Don Cameron in his book 'Captives of a Concept' brilliantly shows from the history and practices of the Bible Students in 1919 that they could not have been appointed as they claim. Cameron uses only their own publications to prove his case. See <a href="http://captivesofaconcept.com/NewOrderInformation.html" rel="nofollow">http://captivesofaconcept.com/NewOrderInformation.html</a>.<br /><br />Thanks. I have now ordered Cameron's book.<br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-75535131154723761982012-04-21T19:28:48.030+08:002012-04-21T19:28:48.030+08:00Linked to the 1914 claim to be the end of the Gent...Linked to the 1914 claim to be the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of Christ's rulership invisibly is the 1919 claim. Perhaps this is the most important false claim for all the authority of scriptural interpretation and direction of JW's by their Governing Body rests on their claim in 1919 to have been appointed by God and Christ as their ONLY representatives on earth. Don Cameron in his book 'Captives of a Concept' brilliantly shows from the history and practices of the Bible Students in 1919 that they could not have been appointed as they claim. Cameron uses only their own publications to prove his case. See <br />http://captivesofaconcept.com/NewOrderInformation.htmlmikenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08723112995625803886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-16026571099992315182012-04-21T08:24:16.206+08:002012-04-21T08:24:16.206+08:00Danny
Thanks again for your comment.
>The big...Danny<br /><br />Thanks again for your comment.<br /><br />>The biggie with Jehovah's Witnesses is that their entire doctrinal superstructure rest squarely on the 'invisible' second coming of Jesus October 1914.<br /><br />Agreed. Now I have decided to split my response over multiple posts, I will address that in part #2.<br /><br />>There is no way they can evade this patently false dogma.<br /><br />Agreed. But 2014 is less than two years away, so maybe the Watchtower will get `new light' about that too to avoid the embarrassment of Jesus' claimed invisible reign, in which He was supposed to quickly bring about the end of this present evil system, stretching out to <i>100 years</i> and still counting!<br /><br />>Jesus specifically forewarned about false prophets who would say,"look he is here in the wilderness,or see he is here in the Temple".<br /><br />The late Bill Cetnar believed that <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Lk%2021:8&version=ASV" rel="nofollow">Luke 21:8</a> (ASV):<br /><br />"And he said, Take heed that ye be not led astray: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am he; and, The time is at hand: go ye not after them."<br /><br />specifically referred to JWs because: 1) "I am he" is actually "I AM" (<i>ego eimi</i>) in the Greek, i.e. the false Christ(s) would claim to be Jehovah Himself (which the Watchtower effectively does); and 2) the title of one of Watchtower founder C.T. Russell's earliest books was "The Time is at Hand"! <br /><br />>Jesus further warned to "not go after them". (Matthew 7:15)<br /><br />Do you mean <a href="http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/lu/chapter_021.htm#bk8" rel="nofollow">Luke 21:8</a> NWT:<br /><br />"He said: “Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them."<br /><br />The Watchtower is not only non-Christian, it is <i>anti</i>-Christian, and to follow it is a disobedience of Jesus' command to <i>not</i> follow such as it.<br /><br />Therefore, while it is <i>best</i> that JWs who leave the Watchtower become Christians, it is still <i>better</i> that they leave the Watchtower false Christ and become non-Christians, than their former state of <i>anti</i>-Christians.<br /><br />Stephen E. Jones<br />-------------------------------<br /><b>Comments</b> are moderated. Those I consider off-topic, offensive or sub-standard will not appear. Each individual will usually be allowed only one comment under each post. Since I no longer debate, any response by me will usually be only once to each individual under each post.Stephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-16127988368155207772012-04-20T20:11:26.179+08:002012-04-20T20:11:26.179+08:00The biggie with Jehovah's Witnesses is that th...The biggie with Jehovah's Witnesses is that their entire doctrinal superstructure rest squarely on the 'invisible' second coming of Jesus October 1914.There is no way they can evade this patently false dogma.<br />Jesus specifically forewarned about false prophets who would say,"look he is here in the wilderness,or see he is here in the Temple".Jesus further warned to "not go after them".<br />(Matthew 7:15)<br />--<br />Danny Haszard dannyhaszard.comDanny Haszardhttp://www.dannyhaszard.comnoreply@blogger.com