tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post3593309562132048734..comments2023-04-17T21:27:49.092+08:00Comments on Jesus <i>is</i> Jehovah!: Main reasons why Mormonism is falseStephen E. Joneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-16629095236898572382008-07-31T09:22:00.000+08:002008-07-31T09:22:00.000+08:00Four* Pointer>Thank you for the wonderful work ...Four* Pointer<BR/><BR/>>Thank you for the wonderful work you are doing. <BR/><BR/>Thanks.<BR/><BR/>>I know how hard it is to show Mormons from the Bible and from their own "scriptures" that their doctrines are built upon lies, only to have them brush them off because they "have a testimony."<BR/><BR/>First, Christians like me who have never been Mormons have to actually <I>read</I> the Mormon scriptures. I have been steadily reading through the Book of Mormon most nights while watching the TV news and making notes, which I will post in my "<A HREF="http://jesusisyhwh.blogspot.com/2008/06/book-of-mormon-problems-introduction-1.html" REL="nofollow">Book of Mormon problems</A>" series. I am up to 1Nephi 13 and it is <I>astonishing</I> how many errors and lies are in the BoM so far. No wonder Mormons have to resort to their <I>subjective</I> "testimony", since they have no good <I>objective</I> answers! <BR/><BR/>>As far as FAIR is concerned, <A HREF="http://fourpointcalvinist.blogspot.com/2008/03/50-answers-to-50-mormon-answers-to-50.html" REL="nofollow">I have started a series</A> about their "50 Mormon Answers to 50 Anti-Mormon questions" ...<BR/><BR/>Mormons confuse "anti-<I>Mormon</I>" with anti-<I>Mormonism</I>. I am pro-<I>Mormons</I>, the <I>persons</I>, but anti-<I>Mormonism</I>, the <I>system</I>, which keeps individual Mormons imprisoned in anti-Christian error.<BR/><BR/>>It's amazing how easy these "answers" are to refute, as many times they offer little if any argument. ...<BR/><BR/>Mormons delude themselves that any answer that is "faith promoting" is good enough. But they need the <I>true</I> answers, not just answers that make them <I>feel</I> good.<BR/><BR/>>Keep on keepin' on!<BR/><BR/>Thanks. Same to you. I only do this because I <I>love</I> Mormons. If I really were anti-<I>Mormon</I>, the <I>persons</I>, I would simply <I>ignore</I> Mormonism, thus leaving individual Mormons to their fate, which as <I>anti</I>-Christians the Bible says will be worse than for ordinary <I>non</I>-Christians (e.g. <A HREF="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev%2019:20;%2020:10;&version=9;" REL="nofollow">Rev 19:20; 20:10</A>).<BR/><BR/>Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-82761211531922846372008-07-30T23:54:00.000+08:002008-07-30T23:54:00.000+08:00Dear brother,Thank you for the wonderful work you ...Dear brother,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the wonderful work you are doing. I know how hard it is to show Mormons from the Bible and from their own "scriptures" that their doctrines are built upon lies, only to have them brush them off because they "have a testimony."<BR/><BR/>As far as FAIR is concerned, I have started a series about their "50 Mormon Answers to 50 Anti-Mormon questions" (A response to Tower To Truth Ministriess' article, "50 Questions to Ask Mormons"). It's amazing how easy these "answers" are to refute, as many times they offer little if any argument. Many times they will just say we Christians are holding to some "double standard" (subjects like new revelations, false prophecies, etc) or "This has been addressed at BYU"--with no citations, no backing material.<BR/><BR/>Keep on keepin' on!Four Pointerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08709119227948492967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-17458889700994835492008-07-29T08:02:00.000+08:002008-07-29T08:02:00.000+08:00Four* PointerThanks for your comment.>FAIR? The...Four* Pointer<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment.<BR/><BR/>>FAIR? They aren't even taken seriously by many Mormons.<BR/><BR/>Agreed. FAIR and FARMS mainly exist so that Internet Mormons can point to them as having the answers, to avoid having to state <I>in their own words</I> what those answers are.<BR/><BR/>>Mr. Jones has given us paragraph after paragraph that shows that the LDS system is based on lie after lie. <BR/><BR/>Mormonism is a living fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy that "false prophets will appear and deceive many" (Mat 24:11).<BR/><BR/>>"Our whole strength rests on the validity of that vision. It either occurred or it did not occur. If it did not, then this work is a fraud. If it did, then it is the most important and wonderful work under the heavens." (Gordon B. Hinckley, “The Marvelous Foundation of Our Faith,” Ensign, Nov. 2002, pg.78).<BR/><BR/>Thanks for that quote. Since (as I will show in a future post), Smith's first vision of 1820 "did <I>not</I> occur", then the <I>entire</I> "work" of Mormonism "<I>is</I> a fraud"!<BR/><BR/>>If you believe your prophet, then you must agree that if Joseph did not have that "first vision," then you are believing a lie.<BR/><BR/>Well put.<BR/><BR/>Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-86688532304282586852008-07-29T01:34:00.000+08:002008-07-29T01:34:00.000+08:00Seth,FAIR? They aren't even taken seriously by man...Seth,<BR/><BR/>FAIR? They aren't even taken seriously by many Mormons. Their defenses of Mormonism are so devoid of weight they can be brushed off with a gentle breeze.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Jones has given us paragraph after paragraph that shows that the LDS system is based on lie after lie. Does this prove Mormonism to be false? According to the late Gordon Hinckley it does. "Our whole strength rests on the validity of that vision. It either occurred or it did not occur. <B>If it did not, then this work is a fraud.</B> If it did, then it is the most important and wonderful work under the heavens." (Gordon B. Hinckley, “The Marvelous Foundation of Our Faith,” <I>Ensign</I>, Nov. 2002, pg.78).<BR/><BR/>Or do you not believe the words of your prophet? Perhaps he was simply giving a "personal opinion?" If you believe your prophet, then you must agree that if Joseph did not have that "first vision," then you are believing a lie.Four Pointerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08709119227948492967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-19908508267802847622008-07-25T07:19:00.000+08:002008-07-25T07:19:00.000+08:00Mormons Are Christian>Why did you delete my com...Mormons Are Christian<BR/><BR/>>Why did you delete my comments? Does the truth about Early Christianity disprove your theses?<BR/><BR/>I deleted your comments because they were off-topic, as per my stated policy on this blog's front page:<BR/><BR/>"Comments ... Those I consider off-topic ... will not appear."<BR/><BR/>The topic is my "Main reasons why Mormonism is false". It is not "the truth about Early Christianity".<BR/><BR/>Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-26096135141425321452008-07-25T02:15:00.000+08:002008-07-25T02:15:00.000+08:00Stephen, Why did you delete my comments? Does th...Stephen,<BR/><BR/> Why did you delete my comments? Does the truth about Early Christianity disprove your theses?<BR/><BR/> Mormons Are ChristianMormons Are Christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12665992248493805022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-52456416470253850812008-07-24T23:19:00.000+08:002008-07-24T23:19:00.000+08:00SethThanks for your comment.>Even if we accept ...Seth<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment.<BR/><BR/>>Even if we accept as proven, each and every one of your statements (which they are not), <BR/><BR/>I haven't posted my evidence for each of those "statements" yet! That will be in the individual pages linked under those 10 (or more) points.<BR/><BR/>>that still doesn't establish that Mormonism is false and should not be followed.<BR/><BR/>My arguments against Mormonism are directed not to the <I>invincibly ignorant</I> Mormons, i.e. those for whom "<I>no</I> amount of evidence" would convince them that "Mormonism is false":<BR/><BR/>"There does remain, nonetheless, a cast of mind which seems peculiarly closed to evidence. When confronted with such a mind, one feels helpless, for no amount of evidence seems to be clinching. Frequently the facts are simply ignored or brushed aside as somehow deceptive, and the principles are reaffirmed in unshakable conviction. One seems confronted with what has been called `invincible ignorance.' ... the cast of mind that clings with blind certainty to principles, even in the teeth of the facts." (Fearnside, W.W. & Holther, W.B., "Fallacy: The Counterfeit of Argument," Prentice- Hall: Englewood Cliffs NJ, 1959, p.113).<BR/><BR/>but rather it is directed at those who are open to the evidence that Mormonism <I>could be</I> false, and in particular those who are thinking of leaving, or joining, Mormonism.<BR/><BR/>>And each of these points has been adequately refuted or contested over at FAIR's website: www.fairlds.org<BR/><BR/>See above.<BR/><BR/>>I'm just passing through, and don't care to engage in a point-by-point debate (busy day ahead). <BR/><BR/>See my Policies on the front page of my blog that I don't debate anyway.<BR/><BR/>Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-78437067909566545012008-07-24T22:36:00.000+08:002008-07-24T22:36:00.000+08:00Even if we accept as proven, each and every one of...Even if we accept as proven, each and every one of your statements (which they are not), that still doesn't establish that Mormonism is false and should not be followed.<BR/><BR/>And each of these points has been adequately refuted or contested over at FAIR's website: www.fairlds.org<BR/><BR/>I'm just passing through, and don't care to engage in a point-by-point debate (busy day ahead). Whether this comment makes it past moderation is your own business I suppose.Seth R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13769247769345052208noreply@blogger.com