tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post3553688457241144409..comments2023-04-17T21:27:49.092+08:00Comments on Jesus <i>is</i> Jehovah!: Re: `So, Who sent Jesus? if he is Jehovah, did he send himself to earth?', etcStephen E. Joneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-46362125608377810572010-11-19T08:14:23.590+08:002010-11-19T08:14:23.590+08:00Anonymous
>could you make the link?
thanks. So...Anonymous<br /><br />>could you make the link?<br />thanks. Some comments would be appropriate.<br /><br />See above. Whether you realise it or not, you are effectively trying to post on MY blog and expecting me to comment on YOUR posts!<br /><br />Sorry, but my blog is for ME only to post to and for others to comment on MY posts if they want to. It is NOT a discussion group or message board where anyone can post and anyone can comment on anyone's posts (see "<a href="http://www.commoncraft.com/what-are-differences-between-message-boards-and-weblogs-15" rel="nofollow">What are the Differences Between Message Boards and Weblogs?</a>").<br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-35106366131774769782010-11-19T07:56:51.517+08:002010-11-19T07:56:51.517+08:00Anonymous
>to be continued....
Please don...Anonymous<br /><br />>to be continued.... <br /><br />Please don't continue to post any more bare links to other sites, under comments to my blog post. If you do, they will be deleted and won't appear.<br /><br />As I indicated, I regard comments that consist primarily of a link to another site as "sub-standard" (and "off-topic") because they are not really comments about my original post, but are just using my blog to publicise the other site.<br /><br />This is a matter of principle with me and applies whether I agree with the contents at the end of the link or not.<br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-16172551206650218322010-11-19T07:49:42.172+08:002010-11-19T07:49:42.172+08:00could you make the link?
thanks. Some comments wou...could you make the link?<br />thanks. Some comments would be appropriate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-82907016168513151122010-11-19T07:12:12.849+08:002010-11-19T07:12:12.849+08:00Here is the second letter to the Watchtower!
http...Here is the second letter to the Watchtower!<br /><br />http://pdfcast.org/pdf/letter-to-the-watchtower-1<br /><br />to be continued....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-31465513917110384412010-11-05T22:29:20.743+08:002010-11-05T22:29:20.743+08:00Anonymous
>Could you explain more what do you ...Anonymous<br /><br />>Could you explain more what do you mean under "unlikely event"? <br /><br />As far as I am aware the WB&TS does not respond to questions from those whom it regards as "opposers."<br /><br />>What the letters did you sent already? <br /><br />I have not yet sent any letters to the WB&TS.<br /><br />>In my opinion WTS should answer a lto of question about hidding the truth about cross, trinity and so on<br /><br />I agree. In fact their own <i>New World Translation</i> in <a href="http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/1pe/chapter_003.htm#bk15" rel="nofollow">1Pet 3:15</a> says they should: <br /><br />"... always [be] ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU ..."<br /><br />StephenStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-10788434780234005632010-11-05T21:50:05.146+08:002010-11-05T21:50:05.146+08:00Could you explain more what do you mean under &quo...Could you explain more what do you mean under "unlikely event"? What the letters did you sent already? In my opinion WTS should answer a lto of question about hidding the truth about cross, trinity and so on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-75751848236547400112010-11-05T20:38:53.322+08:002010-11-05T20:38:53.322+08:00Anonymous
>Some comments would be appropriate!...Anonymous<br /><br />>Some comments would be appropriate!<br /><br />I have now read your entire open letter. Well done! <br /><br />I too have considered the idea of posting on this blog open letters from me to the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, on various topics, and actually snail-mailing a paper copy of each letter to the Society's Brooklyn headquarters.<br /><br />In each of my letters I would tell the Society that I reserved the right to publish any reply I received from it.<br /><br />In the unlikely event the Society answered any of my letters, I would then publish that answer on my blog. <br /><br />StephenStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-71876908022195716122010-11-05T20:17:03.518+08:002010-11-05T20:17:03.518+08:00Anonymous
>what happened with the link to the ...Anonymous<br /><br />>what happened with the link to the letter posted here yesterday?<br /><br />I deleted it. I thought that being primarily a link to another site about John 1:1c, it was off-topic under this post. <br /><br />Also, I usually consider comments that consist primarily of a link to another site, with little or no accompanying comment (as this was), as being "sub-standard" and therefore I delete them according to <a href="http://jesusisyhwh.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">my stated policy on this blog's front page</a>. <br /><br />However, re-reading the email copy of your comment, I now realise that it was on-topic to the comments about John 1:1c under this post.<br /><br />To save you reposting your comment, here it is:<br /><br />------------------------------------------------------------<br />Anonymous<br /><br />Here is to read and to download a letter to the Watchtower Society concerning John 1:1c in details:<br /><br /><a href="http://pdfcast.org/pdf/letter-to-the-watchtower" rel="nofollow">http://pdfcast.org/pdf/letter-to-the-watchtower </a><br /><br />Some comments would be appropriate! <br />------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />StephenStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-72552458934593129882010-11-05T19:42:23.471+08:002010-11-05T19:42:23.471+08:00what happened with the link to the letter posted h...what happened with the link to the letter posted here yesterday?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-36509179965085584552010-03-06T16:30:07.561+08:002010-03-06T16:30:07.561+08:00Brandon
>Is it possible you can do a study of ...Brandon<br /><br />>Is it possible you can do a study of why JW's believe Jesus and the Archangel Michael are one in the same?<br /><br />I have already done that. See my "<a href="http://jesusisyhwh.blogspot.com/2008/01/is-jesus-christ-michael-archangel-1.html" rel="nofollow">Is Jesus Christ Michael the archangel? #1</a>" and <a href="http://jesusisyhwh.blogspot.com/2008/01/is-jesus-christ-michael-archangel-2.html" rel="nofollow">#2</a>.<br /><br />>My mother is new to the JW within the last 5 years and I feel as though she is not getting the truth. <br /><br />I'm sorry to hear that. She definitely won't be getting the truth as a JW.<br /><br />>It is frustrating because my mother was a very strong christian all her life. <br /><br />There is hope then that she will eventually come out. Especially if none of her family are JWs. There are a number of testimonies by ex-JWs who were Christians, and got sucked in by the JWs. They eventually came to their senses and realised they were eating pig's food (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2015:15-17&version=NIV" rel="nofollow">Luke 15:15-17</a>) in the Kingdom Hall when previously they were eating in the Father's house.<br /><br />>I am amazed that she was converted by an organization that is not even as old as the physical church we went to all my life.<br /><br />They just don't think it through. Why would God start the Church, only to let it fall into total apostasy for ~1,700 years until <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell" rel="nofollow">Charles Taze Russell</a> (a proven liar, perjurer, occultist and false prophet) reestablished it in 1879? <br /><br />>I have tried to have discussions with her, but she seems almost brainwashed by the teachings of the WT society.<br /><br />It's not "almost." JWs <i>are</i> "brainwashed by the teachings of the WT society"! There are many online testimonies by ex-JW's who admit that they were "brainwashed" by the Watchtower Society. <br /><br />>I am truly worried for her.<br /><br />You have a right to feel worried for your mother. The Watchtower will enslave her, suck her dry and give her nothing but empty promises in return. But you need to seek help in order to get her out of JWs. The normal approaches of showing where the Watchtower is wrong won't work because one of the first things the Watchtower does is tell its converts that Satan will try to work through their relatives and friends to get them out of "God's Organization." <br /><br />So it is very important to not criticise or ridicule the Watchtower, or even show where it is wrong. That is because she would be programmed to go to her Kingdom Hall's elders for help and they will tell her to have nothing to do with you. But there are ways to do it. <br /><br />I suggest you listen to ex-JW elder David Reed's "How to Rescue Your Relatives from the Watchtower" online at "<a href="http://www.towertotruth.net/audio.htm" rel="nofollow">Tower to Truth Ministries</a>." You might also read Reed's book, "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/How-Rescue-Your-Loved-Watchtower/dp/0801077524" rel="nofollow">How to Rescue Your Loved One from the Watchtower</a>" (1989). There are also ex-JW support groups, who would be able to help you.<br /><br />I hope this has helped. Let me know what happens.<br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-83316261479200348402010-03-06T15:15:52.315+08:002010-03-06T15:15:52.315+08:00Is it possible you can do a study of why JW's ...Is it possible you can do a study of why JW's believe Jesus and the Archangel Michael are one in the same?<br /><br />My mother is new to the JW within the last 5 years and I feel as though she is not getting the truth. It is frustrating because my mother was a very strong christian all her life. I am amazed that she was converted by an organization that is not even as old as the physical church we went to all my life.<br /><br />I have tried to have discussions with her, but she seems almost brainwashed by the teachings of the WT society. I am truly worried for her.Brandon J. Vancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419775528563089899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-33185139787120079562010-02-16T09:05:05.214+08:002010-02-16T09:05:05.214+08:00Jon
>You said "The Father sent Jesus the ...Jon<br /><br />>You said "The Father sent Jesus the Son to Earth" and "Jesus prayed not to "Jehovah" but to the "Father"" My question is, so who is the father? What is his name? <br /><br />In the New Testament, i.e. New Covenant, the name of the Father is "Father" (Aramaic "Abba"):<br /><br />Mk 14:36 "Abba, Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will."<br /><br />Rom 8:15. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."<br /><br />Gal 4:6. Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father."<br /><br />That "Father" is a name of God, as well as a title, is evident from Mt 28:19 "... baptizing them in the name of the Father ..."<br /><br />>Please don't say that Lord or God is the name of the Father ,<br /><br />I won't. Jesus revealed that the New Covenant name of God the Father is "Father."<br /><br />That's why Jesus taught His disciples to pray to "Father" (not Jehovah):<br /><br />Mt 6:6. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.<br /><br />Mt 6:9. "This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,<br /><br />Mk 11:25. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."<br /><br />Lk 11:2. He said to them, "When you pray, say: " 'Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come.<br /><br />And why Jesus Himself prayed to "Father" (not Jehovah):<br /><br />Mt 26:39. Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."<br /><br />Mt 26:42. He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."<br /><br />And why the Apostles prayed to "Father" (not Jehovah):<br /><br />Eph 3:14. For this reason I kneel before the Father,<br />Col 1:3. We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you<br /><br />But if you don't want to accept the above clear teaching of the New Testament, and then again be warned that the penalty for those who twist the Scripture to make it fit what they <i>want</i> it to say is "their own destruction" (2Pet 3:16).<br /><br />But as I said, as per my stated policies, my blog comments are not a debating forum. So you have had your last word on this topic in your above lengthy comment. Any more comments from you arguing this point further under this post will not appear.<br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-79026058214490517502010-02-16T06:38:42.182+08:002010-02-16T06:38:42.182+08:00Four* Pointer
>I recently completed a post on ...Four* Pointer<br /><br />>I recently completed a post on the technical aspects of the original Greek of John 1:1, especially John 1:1c. ... <a href="http://fourpointcalvinist.blogspot.com/2009/08/john-11.html" rel="nofollow">What exactly does John 1:1 mean, anyway?</a> <br /><br />Well done! <br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-49028878164053709002010-02-16T05:27:18.799+08:002010-02-16T05:27:18.799+08:00Dear Friend, thaks for answering my questions abou...Dear Friend, thaks for answering my questions about some texts asking if Jesus is Jehova, my mail is clyde556@hotmail.com so you know what I am talking about.<br />My intention of writing on your post was not to create a war of "warfare" as you said, really i come to you in peace. The only intention is to reason (in peace)about some points that are interesting to me.<br />My name is Jon, sorry for not saying it before, I have 35 years old, I see that you almost double my age , which I consider great since you have lot of valuable knowledge, and I congratulate you for your dedication in the word of God.<br />I am not a JW, so please dont be angry(like I think you were ) saying that I want to make a war hidding the truth. <br />I've collected different points of view from many religions and from my own points of view, so that is what came on my questions.<br />As I said above I admire your knowledge, so please not feel angry of what I ask.<br /><br />I am analyzings your answers, and again my congratulations and admiration to you for the things you aswered, meanwhile I do have another questions<br /><br />a) You said "The Father sent Jesus the Son to Earth" and "Jesus prayed not to "Jehovah" but to the "Father""<br />My question is, so who is the father? What is his name? Is the father's name important for us?<br />Because if you read the bible on mAthew 6:9 "New International Version (©1984)<br />"This, then, is how you should pray: "'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, " American King James Version<br />After this manner therefore pray you: Our Father which are in heaven, Hallowed be your name"<br /><br />So in this prayer that jesus taught us says that the name of Father God is "holy" But do you consider a name to be "holy" if we dont even know what is that NAME?<br /><br />On John 17:6 Jesus says that he revealed the Father's name as said on English Standard Version (©2001)<br />“I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word"<br />International Standard Version (©2008)<br />I have made your name known to these men whom you gave me from the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word"<br /><br />Also the same idea is repeated on John 17:26 International Standard Version (©2008)<br />I made your name known to them, and will continue to make it known, so that the love you have for me may be in them and I myself may be in them."<br /><br />So if Jesus revealed the name of the Father , what is that name?<br /><br />Do you think a name is important ?<br />Is your name important ? sure it is and therefore should be important the name of the father , otherwise it would have no sense praying what says on Mathew 6:9 if we don't know that "name" to be "holy".<br /><br />Please don't say that Lord or God is the name of the Father , since your name is not Man or Person but Stephen , even our pets (dogs and cats etc ) have names and we feel love to them , shouldn't our God have a name? Our Father God is more important than me and you and pets should have a name!!<br /><br />Jesus also considered important the name of the father so if you follow Jesus then obey what he says.<br /><br />John 12:28 New International Version (©1984)<br />Father, glorify your name!" Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." International Standard Version (©2008)<br />Father, glorify your name." Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again!"<br /><br />Also personaly I think that is important to know the name of the father in order to be saved as Romans 10:13 says New International Version (©1984)<br />for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."<br /><br />If you dont know that name...... then how can you be saved?<br /><br />Please answer me those questions, and really sorry to "bother" you if I do.<br /><br />JonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-16481810988774507832010-02-16T03:43:33.070+08:002010-02-16T03:43:33.070+08:00Stephen,
I recently completed a post on the techn...Stephen,<br /><br />I recently completed a post on the technical aspects of the original Greek of John 1:1, especially John 1:1c. And as you said, it is rather lengthy (and could have been even longer!).<br /><br />You can check it out here: <a href="http://fourpointcalvinist.blogspot.com/2009/08/john-11.html" rel="nofollow">What exactly does John 1:1 mean, anyway?</a> As I state in my opening, I am by no means a <i>scholar</i> of biblical Greek, so I asked several men who <i>are</i> well-schooled in biblical Greek if I had accurately conveyed the grammar of the biblical Greek of the verse, and was assured that I had. I hope it will be helpful to you!Four Pointerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08709119227948492967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-7752339099009065352010-02-15T16:13:52.373+08:002010-02-15T16:13:52.373+08:00JohnOneOne
>Thank you for your reply, as I am ...JohnOneOne<br /><br />>Thank you for your reply, as I am looking forward to what you might have to say on this topic.<br /><br />Feel free to comment on any post in this series, the first installment of which I which I have now started on and hope to post within the next few days.<br /><br />But because I don't want to turn my blog's comments into a debating forum, I have a stated policy that: "Any response by me will usually be only once to each individual under that post."<br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-39028130484971932542010-02-15T15:19:32.203+08:002010-02-15T15:19:32.203+08:00Dear Mr. Jones,
Thank you for your reply, as I am...Dear Mr. Jones,<br /><br />Thank you for your reply, as I am looking forward to what you might have to say on this topic.<br /><br />As you might expect, the principle reason for my interest is that I hope this can also provide some information of which we can assure ourselves of addressing.<br /><br />Agape, JohnOneOne.JohnOneOnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05737468309788892988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-304157223087695722010-02-15T15:12:26.149+08:002010-02-15T15:12:26.149+08:00JohnOneOne
>Concerning the translation and mea...JohnOneOne<br /><br />>Concerning the translation and meaning of John 1:1, it may interest you to know that there is an 18+ year study (as of 01/2010) that is soon to be released entitled, "What About John 1:1?"<br /><br />Thanks for the advance info. I actually have my own series on John 1:1 in the pipeline but had almost decided to abandon it because it was going to be too long and complex. <br /><br />That is because it aims to be a refutation of every argument I am aware of that the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society has made since at least the 1940s, that John 1:1c does not mean "and the Word was God" but rather means "and the Word was a god."<br /><br />According to the link you provided, this book will be against "that God is a Trinity, and that Jesus is the second person of this triune God" with particular reference to "the third clause of John 1:1 as something different from the typical, Trinitarian influenced rendering [sic], `and the Word was God.'"<br /><br />Since it is unlikely that the Watchtower Society has in the last 70+ years left any stone unturned in finding evidence and arguments against the overwhelming majority of mainstream Bible translations' and leading New Testament Greek scholars' rendering of Jn 1:1c, "and the Word was God," presumably my refutation of the Watchtower's major arguments against that rendering of John 1:1c will also be a refutation of the major arguments against that rendering in this book.<br /><br />Your comment has given me the incentive to now proceed with my series. Thanks! <br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-59176751498914885092010-02-15T14:06:27.529+08:002010-02-15T14:06:27.529+08:00Concerning the translation and meaning of John 1:1...Concerning the translation and meaning of John 1:1, it may interest you to know that there is an 18+ year study (as of 01/2010) that is soon to be released entitled, "What About John 1:1?"<br /><br />To learn more of its design please visit: http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com<br /><br />Agape, JohnOneOne.JohnOneOnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05737468309788892988noreply@blogger.com