tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post8318441666879018276..comments2023-04-17T21:27:49.092+08:00Comments on Jesus <i>is</i> Jehovah!: Jesus was executed on a cross, not a stake! #1: IntroductionStephen E. Joneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-90702433545879371872015-08-28T20:37:31.357+08:002015-08-28T20:37:31.357+08:00Anonymous
>Thank you so much for your work Sir...Anonymous<br /><br />>Thank you so much for your work Sir Stephen. <br /><br />It's just "Stephen".<br /><br />>I'm an ex JW myself, but by the grace of the Lord He saved me and guided me into the right path. I'm now a Christian,<br /><br />Praise the Lord!<br /><br />>(JW claims they are, but, i don't think so) <br /><br />I KNOW so! JW's are <b>anti</b>-Christians but don't realise it. <br /><br />>i'm currently a youth pastor in our church. <br /><br />Great!<br /><br />>Your work is a blessing in my ministry! God bless you!<br /><br />Thanks for your feedback. I had to de-activate this my "Jesus <i>is</i> Jehovah!" to concentrate on my "<a href="http://theshroudofturin.blogspot.com.au/" rel="nofollow">The Shroud of Turin</a>" blog, but I hope that what I wrote in this blog will be used of Jesus to save at lease some JWs from the bondage of the Watchtower cult.<br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-36237103873563299542015-08-28T16:28:20.145+08:002015-08-28T16:28:20.145+08:00Thank you so much for your work Sir Stephen. I'...Thank you so much for your work Sir Stephen. I'm an ex JW myself, but by the grace of the Lord He saved me and guided me into the right path. I'm now a Christian, (JW claims they are, but, i don't think so) i'm currently a youth pastor in our church. Your work is a blessing in my ministry! God bless you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-38312555905713662942014-09-26T23:50:33.955+08:002014-09-26T23:50:33.955+08:00Anonymous
>You read all the evidence in the B...Anonymous<br /> <br />>You read all the evidence in the Bible...and it plainly shows that he died on a stake....<br /><br />No it doesn't. See my next post in this series, "<a href="http://jesusisyhwh.blogspot.com.au/2011/01/jesus-was-executed-on-cross-not-stake-2.html" rel="nofollow">Jesus was executed on a cross, not a stake! #2: Biblical</a>." <br /><br />>you yourself read it ...and still don't believe it...<br /><br />The WB&TS itself didn't believe that from 1879 to 1931. That's why <i>The Watchtower</i> magazine's logo was a Cross and Crown. And the founder of the WB&TS, Charles Taze Russell <a href="http://www.jwfiles.com/wt_emblems_art_pyramids_occult_un/russell_pyramid_grave.htm" rel="nofollow">has a cross and crown logo on his grave</a>.<br /><br />Then in 1936, the WB&TS's second President, Judge Rutherford, after originally writing that Jesus died on a cross, changed his mind and claimed that Jesus died on a tree.<br /><br />It was only in 1950, after 71 years of its existence, the WB&TS changed its position again and began teaching that Jesus died on a stake.<br /><br />>that's a statement Jesus quoted...shame on you<br /><br />No He didn't. And the ETERNAL shame will be on you, if you don't repent, and believe the BIBLE, not the WB&TS.<br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-15704881027289061732014-09-26T20:25:14.542+08:002014-09-26T20:25:14.542+08:00You read all the evidence in the Bible...and it pl...You read all the evidence in the Bible...and it plainly shows that he died on a stake....you yourself read it ...and still don't believe it...that's a statement Jesus quoted...shame on you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-46906366488470014182012-07-05T16:18:52.177+08:002012-07-05T16:18:52.177+08:00Anonymous
>With reference to your calculations...Anonymous<br /><br />>With reference to your calculations regarding the length (~4.8m) of the pole on witch Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, <br /><br />Thanks. This was in my second post of this series, "<a href="http://jesusisyhwh.blogspot.com/2011/01/jesus-was-executed-on-cross-not-stake-2.html" rel="nofollow">Jesus <i>was</i> executed on a cross, not a stake! #2: Biblical</a>"<br /><br />---------------------------------<br />For an up to 6ft (1.8 m) man to be stretched out on a stake, with his hands fixed above his head (~1 m), and then a charge fixed above his hands (~0.5 m), allowing for his feet not touching the ground (~0.5 m) and the stake being firmly set in the ground (~1 m), it would need a stake of about 4.8 metres, not "3.5 m. ... long"! But then instead of the stake weighing "little more than 45 kg (100 lb)" it would then weigh 4.8/3.5 x 45 = ~62 kgs or ~136 lbs!<br />---------------------------------<br /><br />>I suppose you should also consider what The New Catholic Encyclopedia writes,<br />><br />>"As was their custom with more notorious criminals, the Romans raised Jesus on a rather high stake, so that He could be seen by everyone; it was in fact so high that, when the soldiers wanted to put a sponge soaked in wine to His lips, they first had to put it on the end of a stick (Mk 15.26; Mt 27.48; Jn 19.29)." (The New Catholic Encyclopedia, 2nd Ed, Vol. 04, "Crucifixion", page 390, Gale, 2003)<br /><br />Thanks for pointing this out. But your first reference should be Mk 15.36, not Mk 15.26:<br /><br />Mk 15:36 (ESV). And someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to take him down.”<br /><br />Mt 27:48. And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine, and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink.<br /><br />Jn 19:29. A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth.<br /><br />Also the passers by insults for Jesus to "come DOWN from the cross":<br /><br />Mt 27:40 (ESV).. and saying, "You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross."<br /><br />Mt 27:42. "He saved others; he cannot save himself. He is the King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him.<br /><br />Mk 15:30. save yourself, and come down from the cross!"<br /><br />Mk 15:32. Let the Christ, the King of Israel, come down now from the cross that we may see and believe." Those who were crucified with him also reviled him.<br /><br />imply that Jesus on the Cross was high above them. Otherwise they would have said "come OFF the cross." <br /><br />As do the statements that the women disciples were "looking on from a DISTANCE":<br /><br />Mt 27:55. (ESV) There were also many women there, looking on from a distance, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him,<br /><br />Mk 15:40. There were also women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome.<br /><br />Lk 23:49. And all his acquaintances and the women who had followed him from Galilee stood at a distance watching these things.<br /> <br />>So the final length of that pole could have been even greater than your calculated value.<br /><br />Agreed.<br /><br />>With your method of calculation, the 0.5m distance (above the ground) would have been easily "recovered" by a soldier by simply raising the hand. <br /><br />Agreed. <br /><br />>Since they had to use a stick to reach Him, I suppose Jesus was about 2m above the ground, or maybe even higher in order to be seen by everybody (as customary for all notorious criminals).<br /><br />Agreed. It only makes the Watchtower's single stake argument even MORE untenable.<br /> <br />>Thank you.<br /><br />Thank YOU!<br /><br />Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-27670509133440418022012-07-04T19:32:27.574+08:002012-07-04T19:32:27.574+08:00Dear Mr. Jones.
With reference to your calculatio...Dear Mr. Jones.<br /><br />With reference to your calculations regarding the length (~4.8m) of the pole on witch Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, I suppose you should also consider what The New Catholic Encyclopedia writes,<br /><br /> "As was their custom with more notorious criminals, the Romans raised Jesus on a rather high stake, so that He could be seen by everyone; it was in fact so high that, when the soldiers wanted to put a sponge soaked in wine to His lips, they first had to put it on the end of a stick (Mk 15.26; Mt 27.48; Jn 19.29)." (The New Catholic Encyclopedia, 2nd Ed, Vol. 04, "Crucifixion", page 390, Gale, 2003)<br /><br />So the final length of that pole could have been even greater than your calculated value.<br />With your method of calculation, the 0.5m distance (above the ground) would have been easily "recovered" by a soldier by simply raising the hand. Since they had to use a stick to reach Him, I suppose Jesus was about 2m above the ground, or maybe even higher in order to be seen by everybody (as customary for all notorious criminals).<br /> <br />Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6574858940069385599.post-16181220887141512592011-07-06T10:34:05.031+08:002011-07-06T10:34:05.031+08:00Thank you very much for doing this 7 part post abo...Thank you very much for doing this 7 part post about this subject. This has been a question on my mind for some time :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com